Monday, 3 September 2012

About Safarov, the national hero.



Note: My formatting on Blogger has gone crazy. Just like the guy I am talking about below. Tried fixing it, but some things can never be fixed. Just like some people.

Well, isnt it just wonderful. An axe murderer turned into a national hero by the Azeri king who enjoys demonstrating just how little respect he has for anyone else's opinion.

Obama-shmobama!  Hungarians-shmangarians!... Ha! I don't give a flying f***. I am one of the richest guys in the world and guess what? I can do whatever i want! And not only i am brave like that, but also crafty, because by doing something like this, i suddenly gained support of thousands of nationalists. Now, instead of focusing on my corruption, despotism and other lovely personal traits, most of the Azeris are gonna love me for pardoning the guy who killed an Armenian. A sleeping one.


This is what the president must be thinking. Because, what else can possibly explain this decision?


I did not even feel like blogging about this, to be honest. I am just too disgusted to even bring myself to talk about it. 


The actual event itself is sad and f***up, of course. But there are thousands of sad and very f***d up things happen every day on our lovely planet. But what i found most upsetting is just how many Azeris are excited and proud about this. In one Facebook discussion i came across, in over 300! comments, majority of brainless idiots rushed to prove their national pride by insulting one intelligent girl who dared to share her concern about Safarov's freedom, and what it might mean for Azerbaijan. The attacks got nasty and personal-very similar to the ones i get on this blog.


"Your mother must be Armenian!"

" Go back to America, you are not a true Azeri! "
" How dare you call yourself azeri?!"

I watched the poor girl trying to defend herself. Trying to explain things to her fellow countrymen, things that, in theory, should not even need explaining! And of course, failing at the stone wall of nationalism. 


Nationalism is a crazy thing. It seems to turn people blind and deaf. It is very similar to religion in many ways- anyone who questions anything that had been done under the umbrella of patriotism should be immediately punished and silenced.


I started reading articles in Azeri media about the pardoning of Safarov, and came across some amazing examples of bollocks. I mean, the quality of it is beyond any expectations. Take this one article i have come across. 



"Citing the words of national leader Heydar Aliyev "When there is mind - no need to use force", Ali Ahmedov regarded Safarov's release as a result of this mind and wisdom."
Eh? What about the murder of a sleeping man? Not simply a murder but a 16-hits-with-an-axe-to almost-severe-his-head murder? Sorry....what are we talking about? 

"Both Karabakh, and Ramil became victims of saboteurs. The first is occupied by the enemy, while the other for so many years was imprisoned. Ramil was released, next is the liberation of Karabakh. Please God, day will come, when President, Supreme Commander Ilham Aliyev announces the liberation of Karabakh. All believe and wait for it. One injustice has been relegated to history, the other, I believe, will also be eliminated," Ahmedov said.


Oh, my....I gave up reading anything else on the subject after that. I realised that some people simply live in a parallel universe and don't follow any logic of human beings. 

But okay. For the sake of trying to understand...let's think of cases when a really cruel murder was indeed, provoked and could be forgiven. Like in those action movies that make us feel good because some child gets kidnapped or/and killed, and the main hero goes after the evil guys and kills them all and never gets punished or captured. I never really thought about it much- when can a murder be forgiven? Who has a moral right to pardon someone who had taken another humans life? And i guess, for all of us, there might be some things in life that we would kill for. I would kill anyone who tried to kidnap or badly harm my child. Definitely. 

However....


I would not kill a random sleeping Armenian. Even if he laughed at me in a funny way, while talking to another Armenian. Even if he winked at me when he passed me in the corridor. And I am sorry. I know you are going to tell me I am not patriotic enough but, I would not even try to chop his head off if he'd said anything insulting about the Azeri flag. I mean, I would maybe think he was an idiot, but really? To murder him with an axe for it? Might be a touch extreme, don't you think? 


I really believe that one has to be a certain kind of person (i.e. a crazy murdering kind) to get that wound up at someone who might have insulted him. Note the "mind have" bit, since none of us will ever really know what had happened. Okay, the murderer had some relatives killed in Karabakh, they reckon. But they were not killed by this particular man. And even if we imagine that the guy was disturbed by the events, even if we try to understand why and how he could do something like this...it is still a bit hmm....bizarre to not only set him free (without any medical help) but also turn him into a national hero.


And finally. Forget the morals of it, or whether it was legal or not. Forget Obama and whoever else might have disliked what Aliyev has done. But think about what it might mean. For the glorious nation of Azerbaijan. For its future. For the peace. 


Think about retaliation. Think about certain comments already appearing in Azeri news implying that Azeri diplomats and delegations might be travelling with caution from now on. Also, think about other pathological, maniacal, murdering patriots who now think the door has been officially open to kill other innocent people to become national heroes. With a new house and some money. 


And imagine what it is going to be like from now on, if an Armenian abroad meets an Azeri. Is he or she going to think "hmm...is there an axe in his rucksack by any chance? Or shall i bring mine to the lecture/work/event today- just in case?" This is not the world I want my children to grow up in. 


And if this is what the majority of Azeris now truly think ( and I mean truly believe, rather than shouting what everyone else shouts on Facebook to demonstrate their patriotic feelings)- that this man deserved his freedom and glory, that what he did was right.....then I am glad I am out of there. 


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  1. Well buddy, you do make a hell lot of sense.

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  2. Comments like the ones you talk about on this post is what happens when intolerance prevails.

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    1. Yes, Gabby. Annoying that it always does! (prevail)

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  3. May your child grow up to be like his/her mother and live an absolutely fufilling life with nothing but happiness.

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    1. Nothing but happiness isn't very realistic, is it, but hey thanks anyway! Appreciate the sentiment.

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  4. You've got it all there - thanks so much! I thought that now all Azeris got crazy. The country I know best had a strong experience with nationalism. We were the best in the world! And everyone paid bitterly for the blindness, for ignorance and xenophobia this nationalism caused. We included.
    With media controlled as they are, I am not surprised that Azeris don't criticise their President in Azerbaijan. But I hope that there is a large silent minority which is disgusted by these events, like you are. For the sake of humanity, and for the sake of Azerbaijan.
    As a non-Armenian and non-Azeri I am thanking you for having given me this hope.

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    1. Thanks, whoever you are, but now you intrigued me with your own "country you know best". Which one is it?

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  5. I am an Armenian and naturally i appreciate this article. But i appreciate it not because i'm an Armenian. I would have appreciated such an article even if the story was reversed and it was an Armenian man who had axed an Azeri and then released and turned into a national hero and it was an article written by an Armenian criticizing what had happened. What i'm trying to say is intelligent, educated and free-thinking people are the same everywhere, regardless of their national or ethnic origin. Peace.

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    1. Yeah, but an Armenian wouldn't do that.

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    2. stop living in the bubble. Armenians would do that and they did. What if tell you that there are murderers, rapers, terrorist among all of the nations?

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  6. This is tragic. A most likely mentally disturbed man turned into a poster child for the blind nationalism.
    That said, I don't think this event would make the lives of Azeri's abroad any different. People who were busy hating will keep on hating and those who didn't, will move on.

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    1. Well said, Nata. And very true...about those who are busy hating and them continuing to do so. sad but true.

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  7. Part of me is wondering what Ilham's father would have done in this situation. I agree with you - this is too sad. Certainly does nothing to bring the prospect of peace into the region any closer.

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    1. True, I thought about that, too.

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    2. Oh, Marianna, I remember Ilham's father when he was Ilham's age and was one of the CLOSEST guys to Brejnev. And you know what I am thinking? Ilham really took after Heydar: cunning, calculating and immoral

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  8. I love this: "failing at the stone wall of nationalism." It about sums it up, doesn't it? This post by an Armenian blogger also offers some insight of what's really going on under the surface: http://kovkaz.blogspot.com/2012/09/playing-patriot.html

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    1. Yes, I read it earlier today, very very good.

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  9. It's a fantastic article. I loved it. I couldn't find any word that I did't agree. Maybe this part: considering reactions in Azerbaijan I didn't feel some people simply live in a parallel universe, but I felt I live in a parallel universe because huge majority of people seemed crazy to me. Actually I still think they are making joke. Or are they really serious?

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    1. Nope, they are pretty damn serious. :-) I tried to go back to that conversation on Facebook to properly copy some of the comments, because- trust me- they were worth repeating. But, the originator must have deleted the thread. Not sure why, as he was happily insulting the azeri professor who dared to question whether the action of the president was actually within the criminal law- not that it ever would matter!

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  10. Thank you for appreciating peace and speaking up the truth.

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  11. As an Armenian, I think you said everything better than I could have. It's a human moment. But what your post has done for me is to help me visualize the possibility of taking these events and using them to unite people in the cause of humanity that should be understood everywhere. Most people would probably call me a nationalist, but I really am just a humanist who has been preoccupied with humanity issues affecting my own people. The word nationalism has been turned into a terrible word to describe something I don't associate with. But for me, all it meant was that I love my country and my people... but never at the cost of other lives or values... or nations.

    After the BBC piece on human rights in Azerbaijan during Eurovision, I've only recently come to appreciate the struggles we all face. The rest of it is just what superpowers have been feeding us. I think we could have coexisted on the same land as we did before borders were drawn. All that stands between us now are the very few who mastered the art of brainwashing for personal and political gain. Tragic.

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    1. "The rest of it is just what superpowers have been feeding us. I think we could have coexisted on the same land as we did before borders were drawn. All that stands between us now are the very few who mastered the art of brainwashing for personal and political gain. Tragic."- Totally agree. It is such a tragedy what some powerful people got these two nations into- what a bloody, hateful, endless frigging mess! and not enough of us to put a stop to it.

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  12. Thank you so much for this article. Yes, I'm Armenian and of course I feel concerned about the recent happenings. It is scary to see how much hatred is around. I used to be naive enough to believe that peace in the region is feasable. The things I read in the last days showed me that peace still needs a lot of time. But I feel very released to see that there are people out there that still have common sense. Because this is what you need on both sides to make peace reality! Thanks again, Nathalie- Berlin, Germany

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  13. i dont know if this will help but my teen age sister, my dad and i and are some of the silent ones here in azerbaijan who disagree completely but wont speak up for obvious reasons.

    all three of us support you and people like you, scary.

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    1. And you are not allone!) Please be careful and use a Tor browser when publishing things like this. Our "police" won't like it. But that won't make us too silent...

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    2. Cool! Finally some Azeris agreeing. I understand- totally!- why you would not sign your names under your comments. I just hope there are more like you out there, back home.

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  14. Indeed, intelligence, reasonable interpretation of facts are the major factors to once, finally, lead to a peaceful solution for the conflict.

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  15. Me and my 8 classmates with who I study at a local school were absolutely staggered (for the lack of a better word) with the decision to let Ramil go. Neither I nor my mates think that murders should ever be let go. My only I reasoning behind, however, this decision is that the elections are coming up at the end of this year, so there is a rising need to "succumb to the needs of the voters (whoever they are)" but I too wonder what the father, the late Heydar Aliyev would have done.

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    1. I really don't think this was done to win the election. So his rating went up from 92% to 95%, big freaking deal. I think it was done for the sake of the fake patriots who's been asking for the war for the last 4 years.

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    2. He probably did it to give to give a better justification for why he will be president again.

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  16. Scary Azeri, you will be a foreigner everywhere! :)

    I don't really understand how someone can legitimate a barbarian murder by the nationalism concept (or any murder at all!). Unless you are some kind of sociopath, some guy wouldn't kill another with "16 hits with an axe". Hearing that this incident being celebrated in Azerbaijan, I felt very sorry for the 'sane' Azeri sisters and brothers there.
    Unfortunately we experienced some similar cruelty events here, in Turkey, and the murderers had claimed that it was for our nation, for our flag, ancestors, etc.
    Fruthermore, one of the former prime ministers of Turkey -namely Tansu Çiller- had said that who killes or dies for the nation is always honorable. I simply can say that it was only for the sake of their sick - unevolved mind. If the leaders of a country tries to legitimate this kind of brutalism, ordinary people tend to follow them. Generally speaking, it is very easy to be proud of an adjective that you didn't succeed to earn; like your race, or gender, or social group.
    What a pity. Yet I can say that as there are always some wise people trying to see everything in the light of wisdom a objectivism.
    Thanks for this lovely post, Scary Azeri...

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    1. :-) I know. That is why I said that ( about being foreign everywhere)
      Interesting comment, thanks for this.

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  17. Thank you for your post. I lost the hope to meet any sane Azeri anymore.
    "And imagine what it is going to be like from now on, if an Armenian abroad meets an Azeri. Is he or she going to think "hmm...is there an axe in his rucksack by any chance?"
    These are my concerns exactly. I participate in many international events and now I can't sleep calm thinking that other brainwashed hero wannabes could be waiting for me to sleep.

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    1. Just make sure you don't mention the flag, OK?

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  18. I am so thankful to you and all the people who left their comments under this wonderful article. I am Armenian and I am so happy to see that there still are some poeple who are open-minded and who propagate peace. Whatever happened is just a dirty political game and we all are just victims of it. Even Safarov who still probably doesn't know that his days are counted (probably his own president is counting them), because setting him free was just the first part of the plan and the second part is on the way. Let him enjoy as much as he can his new house and the money.
    Aynways I am very glad that there are some poeple who don't sick to see the blood of the other, who are intelligent and reasonable. I think you are the real face of your nation and not the crazy murderers who are spreading hatred in the country. Peace be with you!!!

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    1. Thanks so much for this. Sadly, I am not in the majority, as you can probably guess, and therefore can't be the "real face" of the nation. I also have to say that, just like that other azeri girl who now lives in the states got told she was not a proper azeri, I get this all the time. constantly. I even had to prove at some point "what gives me the right to call myself azeri" to some crazy troll here, on the blog.

      But I am doing this in a hope that by speaking out I will show people that there are "normal" azeris out there. I would hate to think that the world sees us all as one crazy, angry, hateful flock of sheep.

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  19. Thanks for your post. I am an armenian and the news upsets me. But I was also waiting to hear Azerbaijani people condemn this. i understand the situation in Azerbaijan since I grew up in Iran. I completely understand how it feels to be in a situation where you care for your country and its national interest but meanwhile despise the actions of your leaders and cannot do anything to change them; even more, you are represented to the world as a crazy fanatic hater. thus, I am glad you wrote this piece because it is good for both sides to realize that societies are not monolithic entities and sometimes the image we see being represented in Media/or illustrated by leaders' behavior does not correspond to the beliefs of the people; at least some portions of them.
    p.s. my armenian friends keep sharing this post on fb! :)

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    1. Just what I just mentioned in my reply above. I am glad that some of you ( on the other side of the conflict, so to speak) realize that not all of us are the same. It is very important for both sides to realize that.

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  20. stop reading azeri news. I stopped about 3 years ago, I feel like I'm happier now.

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    1. But they are hysterical! I am sure there must be Armenian news too, full of "facts" that are just as beautifully presented. I never read azeri news, to be honest, unless doing my research for the blog topics, like now.

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    2. reading Azeri news and watching Azeri TV is amusing. One of my local Azeri acquaintances even told me that she does it when she feels bad - so that she has something to laugh about! :-)

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  21. Should We tell you THANKS for this post? Just wanted to let you know that this post of yours is shared on twitter by an Armenian and you are considered to be a rational azeri by him. Hope you are proud.I would like to say you are really SCARY AZERI.

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    1. No, that is ok. I don't need your thanks. I am well aware who shared this and who twitted about this, and no, I am not proud. But I am happy that there are armenians who appreciated this post. To me, it means not all of them- just like not all azeris- are blind with hatred. which gives me some hope. Also, the fact that they shared this means a lot. it means they are not just trying to share things that present azeris in a terrible light. But sharing things that show we have some concerns for the peace, some questions and some balanced views. But sorry, you would not get that....what am I doing, wasting my breath here.

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  22. Just want to thank you for the great article.
    I am Armenian and truly said in this recent days had read a lot of posts from Azeris with praise of Safarov, that to read something totally different, smth about humanity and not nationality makes me cry.
    I want to believe that one day, hopefully sooner than later, we will have peace treaty and open borders.

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    1. Thank you...I hope so too, I guess only time can heal.

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  23. Well, I don't have a lot to add...
    Of course, I am appalled by President Aliyev's blatant disregard for international public opinion. Still, I would like to ask all Armenians who are praising this blogpost to publicly denounce terrorism. Ramil Safarov is a murderer, but so were Zatikyan, Stepanyan, and Bagdasaryan.

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  24. Another thankful reply from an armenian goes to u for this post!!! During last days i almost lost hope to meet any rational comment from azeri side... Guess how nicely surprised i am finding out this post!!!!.. Liked&Shared!!

    P.S. And please, don't be scary!!!!.. People with bright mind, clear conscience and brave spirit like u have no right to be scary:)))

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  25. Riyad, I hate terrorism in every aspect.... as every human being will do... let do not forget that yesterday was the anniversary of Beslan and nothing can approve any act, especially in peace time, against ordinary people like you and me

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    1. I wonder, how many people say "I love terrorism in every aspect". No shit you hate it, the problem is seeing terror among your own people. When I'm shitting on Safarov on everything he did, I expect the same coming from Armenian (or Americans, Brazilian or Mongolian) for the things they've done. Common sense wins.

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  26. Note to Azers: if you want to brutally murder someone, please make sure first if he/she is armenian. You will probably serve some time in jail, then sent back home, then pardoned. Just think of all the fame! I mean, axe murder Kardashians and name will be praised on every corner of Azerbaijan.

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  27. Hi Riyad. Crime is a crime and nobody cad justify murder or terrorism, no matter who does that. Even during the war there are rules that need to be obeyed and killing innocents like children and elder (ie civilians) is a crime.

    But, unfortunately, in reality there are more inhumane people in this world than humane.

    What puzzles me is "didn't Azeri officials think how their actions would portray Azerbaijan to the world?"

    Although government in Armenia is corrupt (I am an Armenian living in Canada) and isn't a good example of democratic and lawful governorship, I can't imagine them doing something this low.

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    1. Oh, you...
      Not defending Safarov here, but pretty sure Armenian gov have done something even worse. Let's not jump to the point where Armenian are white and fluffy. They did their share.

      "didn't Azeri officials think how their actions would portray Azerbaijan to the world?" - No.

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  28. Bravo, Naile!

    Great article! I'm happy that at least some Azerbaijanians think like that. the similar story with "one intelligent girl" from Facebook happened to me, too and even my family members are not agree with me...

    good luck and keep being scary :)

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  29. Your article makes sense in terms of that was an exaggeration of making him a hero, but we have shown that we will not abandon azerbaijani soldier in any circumstances. Any strong country would and doing this for its citizens/soldiers. There are many examples. The only difference is that we made it very much public.

    1921 г. - в Германии оправдан армянский террорист С.Тейлерян, убивший в Берлине бывшего министра внутренних дел Османской империи Талят-пашу;

    1921 г. - британский военный трибунал освобождает от уголовной ответственности террориста М.Торлакяна, убийцу экс-главы МВД Азербайджанской Демократической Республики (АДР) Бехбуд хана Джаваншира;

    1984 г. - в США выпущен на свободу приговоренный к пожизненному заключению Гурген Яникян, убивший в г.Санта-Барбара турецкого генерального консула М.Байдара и консула Б.Демира в Лос-Анджелесе;

    1989 г. - во Франции освобожден террорист М. Мелконян, организатор захвата турецкого консульства в Париже, во время которого был тяжело ранен консул К.Инал, и погиб представитель службы безопасности Д.Озен;

    2001 г. - во Франции выпущен на свободу приговоренный к пожизненному заключению Варужан Карапетян, организатор взрыва в аэропорту Орли.

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    1. Excellent comment ''Anonymous5 September 2012 00:40''. I was thinking to post a comment here, and bring those examples which you brought, but then thought, it would be unnecessary, because this is what they want to think and let it be.... The only name I would add here is Monte Melkonian - National Hero of Armenia for killing innocent Turkish and Azerbaijanis. Why armenians who are posting the comments here never bring these sort of examples? Too big a shame isn't it? Or may be not that big...

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    2. Mr Anonymous.

      You forget that all those people were released in those democratic countries and were not pardoned by nationalist president.

      Also, these releases are fundamentally different from the one of Ramil Safarov.

      For example, in 1921 case it was proven that Teyleryan killed a genocide perpetrator and Varujan Karapetyan served 17 years before being released...

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    3. Везде один и тот же заученный текст.
      Фейсбук засрали и тут срут.
      Как же хорошо мы знаем не своих героев.
      Такой то такой - большая армянская какашка 1921 года, отпущен, подонок.
      Во первых никто преступников не защищает, Сафарова в том числе. На армянских форумах сейчас идёт перечисление всех турецких подданных оптущенных на свободу за убийство армян, так что это нормально

      Помимо того что в 1921 году Гитлеру было 32 года и мир был далёк от понятий демократического общества...
      Тейлирян был признан находившимся в состоянии невменяемости в момент покушения и освобождён. Ключевое слово пожалуй, признан невиновен.
      1985 года Мелконян был арестован в Париже и приговорен к 6 годам тюремного заключения за незаконное хранение оружия и подделку документов. Убийства нет было, отсидел 4 из 6 лет, в начале 1989 года он был освобожден и выслан
      77-летний Яникян был признан виновным, отсидел 11 лет, был освобождён по состоянию здоровья.
      Карапетян был признан виновным, отсидел более 17 лет в тюрьме, он был освобожден и депортирован в Армению.
      Рамиль Сафаров - признан виновным в убийстве, отсидел 8 лет, был экстрадирован в Азербайджан, где в этот же день президент был помилован, ему было присвоено звание майора. МО Азербайджана подарило Сафарову квартиру и выплатило накопившееся за 8 лет жалование.

      Common sense wins again.

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    4. The morality question for me personally is not why he was extradited, or why he was pardoned? The big question is why this a-hole is a hero?

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  30. I read in the news that there is a theory that all these was carefully orchestrated by Azeri/Turkish leaders to start the war against Armenia in the near future. That person was claiming that after making Safarov a hero authorities will then kill him saying that an Armenian infiltrator did that. That will anger Azeri people even more and they will be calling for war.

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    1. I can't say for sure, I have no clue what's in the mind of our leaders, but this scenario is unreal. Young generation in Az-n has been asking for the war for the last 5 years or more. They feel the power, the feel oil money and they want to believe that they can beat Armenia. As I mentioned before, this act was nothing but boosting up those moron for another 4 years.

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  31. Thanks for writing this man! I had totally lost hope that there ever exists a reasonable Azeri! So you definitely give us all some hope.

    Look, I am a realist -- it's ok if we and Azeris don't exactly love each other. It's even ok if we slightly hate each other (we would eventually get over that too). But for god's sake -- let's not go down the path of this nationalist INSANITY! Because it's ultimately gonna hurt ourselves first.

    As once Golda Meir said -- "Palestinians will agree to peace only when they learn to love their children more than they hate us." Let's love our children and their future more than we hate each other. So -- I wish you, and your family a beautiful life! May your children only experience happiness.

    Best,

    Areg

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    1. Thanks, man. :-)
      I loved the quote. It is soooo true. Loved it. Also, just in case you missed it, this article ( in russian) shared on scary azeri Facebook page made me feel better, even after getting told I was silly saying what I said...At least another guy from Baku thinks word for word exactly what I think. It gave me some hope. here it is. Sorry I forgot how to properly insert a link in comments section...just copy it over...it is very good. http://kultura.az/articles.php?item_id=20120905080810770&sec_id=20

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  32. Your article is very good!

    When you are doing something unconventional you will ALWAYS receive resistance. To achieve something valuable you should pass over it. You have to remember that you are doing great job by expressing your independent opinion. Most of the people are simply followers of authority, that is the human nature (search "conformity" or "Asch conformity experiments" in the wikipedia). Keep doing the great job!

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  33. Your post is rather emotional, while at the same time misses the point of the affair on numerous occasions. No one in the government, or among the elites, is treating Ramil Safarov as a "hero". In fact, no one except his immediate superior, the minister of defense, even met with him. Neither do many ordinary Azerbaijanis. But at the same time it was Azerbaijan's duty, it's obligation by law, to seek extradition of its citizen and its army man back to Azerbaijan. Do you understand this?

    Secondly, Ramil and Gurgen were both military men from warring states. Both states are at war with each other. This is what military people do - they kill each other. That's their job. If the incident would have happened not in Hungary, but in Armenia or Azerbaijan, we would not have heard nearly as much about it. It would have been "normal" - after all, 100 soldiers and officers are killed each year despite the "ceasefire".

    Third, Ramil is a refugee, and Gurgen's of this world represent everything that is wrong with today's world for someone like Ramil - or 800,000 other Azerbaijanis who became refugees because of Armenian aggression.

    Fourth, U.S., UK, and all other NATO members constantly acquit their own soldiers who kill CIVILIAN targets in Iraq, Afghanistan, etc. So to hear their "criticism" is hypocrisy.

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    1. You are missing the point. He could be brought home that would not be an issue. But have you seen how he was greeted? Like a hero? Have you missed the Facebook celebrations? Have you missed the apartment and payments backdated and a title given by the president? is that normal to you? do YOU understand this? :))) I am bored to talk about this again and again because I have explained everything too many times and It is becoming repetitive, sorry. Please if you are a russian speaker, read the article in kultura.az i have shared above. That guy spoke every word I think only a lot better. regards.

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  34. Agree that it should not been considered in the context of hero. But support the government and the president for returning Azerbaijani officer to the country. It is normal practice in the world. That’s it. Whatever is said here – different views and they have got right to exist. Whether they impact anything is the different subject. Firuz.

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  35. I see nothing wrong in Ramil's release and pardon. it is not against the international law as the treaty about extradition allows us to extradite Ramil and according to Azerbaijan's constitution the president has an extraordinary competence to pardon any prisoner. Why you do not discuss the case " why an armenian soldier insulted our flag and was chopped off?". have you ever asked urself for this question? and you say that this act of Azerbaijan breaches international law. Guys,1) armenia has been ignoring UN 5 resolutions and international law for 20 years.2) why serj sarkisyan, kocharyan who have a direct role in perpetrating Khojali genocide. Ssrgsyan admitted that armenians have committed it.(his interview ).( Azerbaijanis did not expect armenians to kill innocent people, but we broke that stereotype). Those people occupy the most important positions in armenia. 3) V.karapetyan, bagdasaryan, zory balayan who have committed terror acts to Turkish diplomats for many times and got life punishment in france, US,Germany,however after some years they were released and welcomed by armenian government as heroes. why these cases are not against international law? why the world community did not discuss these cases? So, you still think that armenia is right in this matter?

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    1. Gurgen Bakhshiyan6 December 2012 15:46

      1. What most irritates me that you guys, azeri media talk about flag abuse, and other insults with such a confidenece!!!, and these "insults" always vary. Why?Because someone mentioned it out of the blue? No witness came up neither in media nor in court.I found a very good article below, which explains the essence of those statements.

      http://www.rferl.org/content/filling-in-the-gaps-azerbaijani-media-construction-of-narrative-over-ramil-safarov-case-armenia/24703619.html

      2. Khojaly is a very long discussion. It was a war, and people become beasts at war.Nevertheless, I would like to see that interview by Serj Sarkisyan. I condemn any killing of the innocent people regardless their nationality.

      3. V. Karapetyan was released according to French laws, and Armenia did not wellcome him as a hero, and, again I personally hate everyone who kills innocent. So to say, if armenian killed azeri the way Ramil did it I would hate him absolutely the same way I hate Ramil, because thank God He created me as a human being not the cruel animal.

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  36. Scary Azeri,

    You have a good way with words. I just have a factual inquiry. Do we know for sure that the Armenian officer was sleeping when he got axed (I know this might seem unimportant) but we have been hearing so much about the case that he killed someone in his sleep. That I think we really do need to go to the bottom of it. If we believe that Ramil Safarov broke the door into the room, it is highly unlikely that the Armenian guy was sleeping, he must have been wide awake and expecting an attack. again this is not a justification of anything just clarification.

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  37. Anahit, I have no illusions about the nature of politics. You DO have to be calculating in politics and watch your back, or else you'll be "eaten alive." I am just not sure Ilham's calculations behind putting this guy on the pedestal for the whole nation to admire were correct in this case.

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  38. Скэри, а есть ли у Вас какие-нибудь посты (статьи) насчет карабахского конфликта среди многочисленных ваших постов на этом блоге или где-нибудь еще? Просто лень, все искать, извините... У вас очень складно получается писать. Любопытно было бы почитать о вашем отношении к армяно-азербайджанскому конфликту, а также о вашем видении (мировозрении) насчет будущего азербайджанского народа и государства.
    Да еще, можно отвечать на английском, я неплохо понимаю, но пишу лучше на русском. Спасибо.
    Заур.

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    1. Zaur,
      I dont normally talk about the conflict, as I find it boring to repeat the same old stories everyone else repeats non-stop. No point me getting involved, too. I wrote something once for oneworld and euroasia.net re-posted it...if you want to look, it is under publications in the left hand side column here...

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  39. Я вот о чем подумал. Если бы кто-то позволил себе демонстративно надругаться над американским флагом и был бы в ответ убит за это американцем, которого потом за это посадили б пожизненно в другой стране, то Штаты выслали группу командос на его вызволение и ещё наградили бы за то, что отстоял честь своего флага. Голливуд, естественно, снял бы кучу фильмов на эту тему тоже.
    Или если б российский офицер поступил таким же образом, то наверняка получил бы звание Героя России и ещё на его примере бы учили молодёжь патриотизму.
    А когда честь Родины отстаивает офицер азербайджанской армии, то в прессе это выставляется как "зверски убил армянина". Надо было нежно что ли это сделать с анестезией ? Не оправдывая убийства в принципе, замечу, что проверка на любовь к Родине и национальную честь может закончится плачевно для проверяющего. Не важно о какой национальности идёт речь.

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    1. Маис,
      Я могла бы привести несколько примеров вам когда в цивилизованной стране сажали за криминальное поведение своих же офицеров и солдат. Судили за crime of war. Я не согласна что вот другие бы сделали так, но еще тут вопром не в этом даже. А просто в том что морально и правильно и законно, а сто нет. Он по вашему-национальный герой? Вот какой вопрос тут нужно себе задать.

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  40. Гурген Бахшиян7 December 2012 00:16

    Спасибо огромное за Вашу статью. Слава Богу что ест такие люди как Вы. Для меня этот конфликт очень больная тема. У меня много друзей азкрбайджанцев кого я кстати встретил зарубежом.Я очень люблю азербайджанскую музыку, мугам. Я всегда говорил что должен быть компромис в конфликте, я считал что все таки Армения бы толко выиграла экономически договорившись с Азербайджаном, будь то широкая автономия или просто независимое государство управляемое двумя общинами. Однако после героизации Сафарова и высказываний Алиева, а также после моего посещения страницы Рамиля на fb я изменил своё мнение- 50000 likes на его фото, также поставили фото Гургена и материли как его так и его семью и мать. После всего этого я больше неверю ни в мир, ни вчеловечность. Да я понимаю армяне тоже несвятые, везде есть звери, я сказал и скажу что осуждаю любое зверство. Когда я слышу что на границе от снайперской пули погибает 19 летний солдат будь то армянин или азербайджанец у меня болит душа за всех за них. Это чей-то сын, чей-то брат, или даже родитель. Я думаю что Алиев поступил недальновидно, ведь немало армян.имели такое же мнение как я и конечно же изменили его. Однако, такие люди как автор этой статьи дают надежду на лучшее. Дай Бог всем нам мира и добра.Бог есть и Он творит великие дела, и я верю что каждый получит по заслугам, Аминь.

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  41. Great article! My mother is of Armenian-Azeri descent (50/50). It is heartbreaking to see how her whole family was torn apart by this conflict. Armenians and Azeris have so much in common, yet they only see the few differences. Unfortunetly both peoples seem so... blindly nationalistic nowadays. A couple of Armenians in my university refused to speak with me because they see me as an Azeri. My mother's fully Azeri halfsister refuses to speak with ther because she is, apparently, an Armenian. And all of this because of what? Because of something that none of us has anything to do with.

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    1. I am Azeri, and I absolutely support you,Scary Azeri!
      I don't consider R.S. a national hero, all heroes for me are those who perished at the frontline defending their Motherland, in a battle,openly and honestly.
      What happened in Hungary was awful and as I see it, shameful. By the way, I am the wife of an Azerbaijani military.
      For the common future of the region both sides should stop that hatred and try to coexist together. It would be hard, but it is possible.

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  42. Azerbijan has lots of power and potential comparing with Armenia. Unfortunately with power comes BLINDNES. Yes unfortunately, because it is first in benefit of Azeri people and after all their neighbors for Azerbidjan not to be blind.
    It is not a secret or a mith that Armenians suffered from Azeries much worse during past 100 years. However it is in stronger brothers hands to be able to maintain power and peace not using axes but higher moral love and respect to other nations which current Azeri state is not capable even establish within its own borders.

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